Week 4: Rolling against the U-18s

[MikeR]

Well, a brief reprieve before conference games, if you consider the U-18 team (http://www.usahockey.com/ntdp/18u/main/under_18_team/)a break. Difficult to bring the intensity to the game, yet who wants to lose to the glory boys?

Points of interest:
1. Ron Rolston returns to Potsdam
2. U-18 defeated Mich. St., UAF; and took UMich and BC to OT.
3. Who plays in goal?
4. Any line combo changes for the Knights?
5. How many points/hits can the Knights rack up to send the U-18 home wishing they had played Plattsburg St twice!

A good performance would be expected for the team to create some Joementum before conference play!

Congrats to Steve Zalewski and Matt Beca for the ECAC Player (http://www.ecachockeyleague.com/pdfs/men/ecachl_wk-3_m-players-06.pdf)and Rookie of the week

Clarkson Athletics U-18 Preview (http://clarksonathletics.com/News/mhock/2006/10/23/MHOCusa.asp?path=mhock)

[LGTecher]

I think this game could be much more important than that. These are many of the elite prospects that will wear college sweaters in coming years. We need to show them a great place to play and a quality program so that some may come put on the green and gold. We need a good effort here and get used to winning. But we all know what it takes to win against any competition...hard work.

[mark0429]

Is this coming weekend the Parent's Weekend Game?

if so, how big of an effect do you think it will have on the atmosphere?

I think it could have a pretty huge negative effect.

[MikeR]

I think this game could be much more important than that. These are many of the elite prospects that will wear college sweaters in coming years. We need to show them a great place to play and a quality program so that some may come put on the green and gold. We need a good effort here and get used to winning. But we all know what it takes to win against any competition...hard work.


Good point. While most of the U-18 team is committed for '07, you are correct....friends tell friends their impressions of a program.

[daredevilcu]

Parents' Weekend is always my least favorite weekend of every year. I hate not having a student section. At least it's an exhibition game, so we can have a full section for all the games that actually count. The recruiting aspect of playing the Under-18 Team doesnt' really bother me at all. I would expect most players will more seriously consider Clarkson less from what they hear from their friends who played against the Knights, and more from what noise Clarkson makes in the ECAC, NCAA, and their own recruiting visits to Potsdam.

[Goldie Knight]

Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:30 PM

Yes, this coming weekend is Parents' Weekend at Clarkson. However, I expect this game against the US National Under 18 Team will not be taken lightly by the Golden Knights. This team is filled with youthful talent, including six first round NHL draft picks. They have already played 13 games and have a record of 9 wins, 4 losses, 0 ties. They have two players, James van Riemsdyk who averages 1.2 goals per game, and Ryan Hayes who averages 1.1 goals per game. If there is any weakness, it may be found with their two goaltenders....Brad Phillips with a 0.896 save percentage and Josh Unice, with a 0.868 save percentage. Last Saturday, they defeated their opponent, the Mahoning Valley Phantoms 10 ~ 1 in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Usually on Parents' Weekend, there are quite a few people who will watch their first Golden Knights' hockey game. Although there won't be as many seats for students, hopefully the students will still pack Cheel Arena and create a lot of noise. I am wondering if students are allowed in without charge this Saturday? Although I am happy to have even one game at Cheel, my preference is always to have two weekend games.

Last weekend, former Clarkson coach, Jim Roque, brought his LSSU team to Cheel Arena. This weekend, another former Clarkson coach, Ron Rolston, will bring his US National Under 18 Team back to Potsdam.

CLARKSON.....GLORY IS ITS OWN REWARD.

[daredevilcu]

Students are required to pay to get in. Even the pep band needs tickets to enter the arena (ours are complimentary though).

[observer]

one plus to parents weekend is maybe the student cheers won't be as profane or in poor taste.
I realize the band and students create an atmosphere, often times the 'only' atmosphere in the building, but this year they are starting to get way over the line of good decent taste.
the most particularly new offensive cheer is the 'jesus hates you' one to opposing players. many fans at the games are religious people and that cheer, to me, is lower than anything i've ever heard at cornell or appleton or any other rink.
here's to hoping the students class up the rest of the year!

[daredevilcu]

Actually, that's not that new, although I do understand your desire for it to be stopped. As the director of the band, it's my job to try to get other cheers going when the offensive cheers come up, and often I catch a lot of flak for it. Basically, the ones we're supposed to stop are the ones with profanity -- bulls--t to the referees, etc. We were specifically asked to try to break up the "broken condom" cheer, which I think is the right thing to do. Jesus Hates You, while there are religious people in the crowd who may not like it, in my opinion is one of the more tame "new" cheers that have come out of the students this year. I'll keep doing my best to cut that one down, but it's so well-liked by the students that it is hard for the band to get something else going.

We are always trying to come up with creative ideas at every game, so don't be afraid to come over and suggest something if you have a witty cheer.

[SpongeRob]

Yeah, Jesus hates you has been around for 4 years now, and the origin was SBG. (The Sketchy Bearded Guy who used to run the whistle). Kotyra made a particularly terrible call one night, and the entire arena went silent at a loss for what to say to him, when from the platform we heard "Hey Kotyra, Jesus Hates You!!!" It stuck after that. I think that you need some perspective if you think that's more offensive than "**** 'em up, **** 'em up, go CU" (Cornell)or "broken condom" which I hadn't heard.

[ChuckNajimy]

one plus to parents weekend is maybe the student cheers won't be as profane or in poor taste.
I realize the band and students create an atmosphere, often times the 'only' atmosphere in the building, but this year they are starting to get way over the line of good decent taste.
the most particularly new offensive cheer is the 'jesus hates you' one to opposing players. many fans at the games are religious people and that cheer, to me, is lower than anything i've ever heard at cornell or appleton or any other rink.
here's to hoping the students class up the rest of the year!

I've heard that cheer before. It needs to go away.
I may be incorrect, but I think I heard the home fans at the Mullins Center use it this year.

[observer]

Yeah, Jesus hates you has been around for 4 years now, and the origin was SBG. (The Sketchy Bearded Guy who used to run the whistle). Kotyra made a particularly terrible call one night, and the entire arena went silent at a loss for what to say to him, when from the platform we heard "Hey Kotyra, Jesus Hates You!!!" It stuck after that. I think that you need some perspective if you think that's more offensive than "**** 'em up, **** 'em up, go CU" (Cornell)or "broken condom" which I hadn't heard.

Maybe you'd have to be religious to understand, but mocking Jesus is MUCH worse than that other chant.
I'd guess, and this is JUST a guess, but probably at least half the crowd at a typical Clarkson game is churchgoers and you all should stop insulting them every night by mocking Jesus.
That's just my 2 cents.
I don't like the other cheer either, but at least it's not blasphemous.

[Stripes55]

Boy, things have changed since I was a student there...I think the worst chant we actually did was the "Where's Your Father", sung to the time of "Clementine" (and no, I don't think that chanting bull**** - or boat-ship, if you're the Pep Band :) ) is worse than questioning a guy parentage).

BTW, I graduated in '91, so it wasn't that long ago...

[MikeR]

BTW, I graduated in '91, so it wasn't that long ago...

I did as well, and it was a long time ago!;)

[Stemmer]

I graduated in '74 and that's a VERY long time ago. :D

Now that we have that out of the way, can we all agree that the "Jesus hates you" is not only offensive if you're at all religous but at minimum, is in extremely poor taste even if you are not.

Surely the fans, including students, can be more creative than that.

Let's not sink to the tasteless and abusive behavior of many of the Lynah Rink fans.

[Ron]

You would think with the 1800 empty seats in the place during the other games this season, they'd waive that "students must pay" rule in favor of the excitement and enthusiasm of our student section.

Of course as Brett helpfully pointed out after I posted, it tends to be a sell-out regardless, but why not standing room? Who will chant Cigarettes and Porn?!

[JustMyOpinion]

I graduated in '74 and that's a VERY long time ago. :D

Now that we have that out of the way, can we all agree that the "Jesus hates you" is not only offensive if you're at all religous but at minimum, is in extremely poor taste even if you are not.

Surely the fans, including students, can be more creative than that.

Let's not sink to the tasteless and abusive behavior of many of the Lynah Rink fans.

Extremely poor taste to whom? All the hypocritical fools...

Get a sense of humor. It's not tasteless at all. It's silly fun.

What's really insulting is a "holier than thou" person talking down to others. Give me a break. The student section and the band have been fantastic in the last two years and it's only getting better. I agree that we shouldn't get vulgar, but chanting something as silly as "Jesus Hates You" is damn funny. Do you really think that Jesus hates you? Well actually, maybe he does because you have no sense of humor. If we all can't get along, we'll have to go with "Santa Hates You". Then again, the Local ELF UNION will probably freak out too.

[observer]

Extremely poor taste to whom? All the hypocritical fools...

Get a sense of humor. It's not tasteless at all. It's silly fun.

What's really insulting is a "holier than thou" person talking down to others. Give me a break. The student section and the band have been fantastic in the last two years and it's only getting better. I agree that we shouldn't get vulgar, but chanting something as silly as "Jesus Hates You" is damn funny. Do you really think that Jesus hates you? Well actually, maybe he does because you have no sense of humor. If we all can't get along, we'll have to go with "Santa Hates You". Then again, the Local ELF UNION will probably freak out too.

Not appreciating someone or a group of people mocking someone that others believe may have died for their sins is NOT "silly fun".

That's why I said earlier that maybe you have to be religious to fully understand why this cheer is VERY offensive to many people!

If one doesn't believe in all that stuff, I can see why they might think its 'silly'. But take it from those who do, its FAR from being 'mere' silly stuff.

[JustMyOpinion]

Not appreciating someone or a group of people mocking someone that others believe may have died for their sins is NOT "silly fun".

That's why I said earlier that maybe you have to be religious to fully understand why this cheer is VERY offensive to many people!

If one doesn't believe in all that stuff, I can see why they might think its 'silly'. But take it from those who do, its FAR from being 'mere' silly stuff.

Maybe you should question your faith if something like that bothers you. There are far more important issues we Christians need to address. The "Jesus Hates You" chant is not one of them.

By the way, THIS IS A HOCKEY BOARD. LET'S POUND THE WONDER KIDS THIS WEEKEND AND GET ON A ROLL FOR LEAGUE PLAY.

[observer]

Maybe you should question your faith if something like that bothers you. There are far more important issues we Christians need to address. The "Jesus Hates You" chant is not one of them.

By the way, THIS IS A HOCKEY BOARD. LET'S POUND THE WONDER KIDS THIS WEEKEND AND GET ON A ROLL FOR LEAGUE PLAY.

Point 1: I never said there aren't issues regarding faith that are more OR less important than this. I never 'ranked' this issue.

Point 2: I don't have to 'question my faith' if blasphemy bothers me. Its BECAUSE I have a strong faith it does!
*Exodus 20:7 "You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain (this is, lightly or frivolously, in false affirmations or profanely): for the Lord will not hold him guiltless, who takes His name in vain" - amplified Bible translation, one of the 10 commandments for those who may not know.

Point 3: this IS a hockey board and this thread related to an offensive cheer at, guess what? a HOCKEY GAME! so it has every right to be discussed ON a hockey board!

[JustMyOpinion]

Point 1: I never said there aren't issues regarding faith that are more OR less important than this. I never 'ranked' this issue.

Point 2: I don't have to 'question my faith' if blasphemy bothers me. Its BECAUSE I have a strong faith it does!
*Exodus 20:7 "You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain (this is, lightly or frivolously, in false affirmations or profanely): for the Lord will not hold him guiltless, who takes His name in vain" - amplified Bible translation, one of the 10 commandments for those who may not know.

Point 3: this IS a hockey board and this thread related to an offensive cheer at, guess what? a HOCKEY GAME! so it has every right to be discussed ON a hockey board!

That's the point, they are not using the name of the Lord in vain. You need to understand your religion a little better. Everything in the Bible is not to be taken as written. You should know that.


I am done talking about this because you are far to emotional about this. This is a silly arguement, just like the chant. The chant does not bother me and I am a devote Catholic. I understand people and I understand my religion. I don't covet my neighbor's ass either (from the 10 Commandments).

[observer]

Here's a copy of a letter to the editor in today's Watertown Times

"Poor sportsmanship at Clarkson"
After proudly serving in the north country for six years, including a one-year tour of duty in Iraq, imagine my husband's pure joy to hear that his alma mater (Lake Superior State University) was going to play hockey this past weekend at Clarkson University.

We had planned this for two months and couldn't wait to see the game. We were happy to hear on the loudspeaker just before the game that "profanity and unsportmanship like conduct would not be tolerated."

However, much to our dismay, that is exactly the type of behavior we witnessed that night and the night to come. Examples were profanities too explicit to mention, the collective body shouting "slit Jake's throat" (referring to the visiting goalie), "a rope, a tree, let's hang the referee," "the ref beats his wife," and as a Christian the one that I found the most offensive was the collective "Jesus hates you."

Now, I know that this was a sporting venue and that some ribbing is to be expected, but vulgarity and lynching and taking my Lord's name out like that especially in the presence of children was totally uncalled for. And when you say over the loudspeaker that this type of behavior won't be tolerated, it shouldn't be.

We won't ever attend another function at Clarkson University.

Jean Benson

LaFargeville

and, NO, I am not 'Jean Benson' just find it interesting that this thread is going on and someone else felt a need to write to the newspaper about the same things!

[SpongeRob]

Let's take these one by one.

"slit Jake's throat" (referring to the visiting goalie) I've never heard this one, and find it uncreative and violent. This should absolutely be the most disturbing of all of these chants.

"a rope, a tree, let's hang the referee," This is a classic, used in countless places, and it's ridiculous that someone could be offended by this when the ref makes a poor call.

"the ref beats his wife," Obviously not nice to the ref, but we're not exactly condoning the violent behavior. Quite the opposite, we're mocking it.

"Jesus hates you." A play on the fact that the bible says that Jesus is supposed to love everyone, and yet he still doesn't like you.

To have a lack of perspective to the point of finding the Jesus chant the most offensive of all of them shows a distorted sense of morality. The Jesus chant is a joke about someone's personal feelings about someone, and yet this is more offensive than encouraging murder!? Ludicrous.

Furthermore, not to get on a religion tangent, but you should at least understand your own religion. Exodus and the 10 commandments is a part of the Old Testament. Jews, not just Christians, live by this book. In fact, in your own copied quote "You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain." It says nothing about Jesus, only God, and we're not taking God's name in vain.

To conclude,
Lighten up, it's hockey, it's fun, and it's college hockey. The thing that makes college better than the pros is the willingness of college fans to be absolutely rabid and go to any length to support their team and blast the other one and anything that stands in their team's way. (I.E. refs)

[observer]

[QUOTE=SpongeRob;18795]Let's take these one by one.


Furthermore, not to get on a religion tangent, but you should at least understand your own religion. Exodus and the 10 commandments is a part of the Old Testament. Jews, not just Christians, live by this book. In fact, in your own copied quote "You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain." It says nothing about Jesus, only God, and we're not taking God's name in vain.

Time for another bible lesson I guess:

If you are a Christian you believe that Jesus *is* God. He is God's son, but it's a trinity, along with Holy Spirit. If you take God's name in vain, you also take Jesus's and vice-versa.
Here's what he said about the issue himself:
John 10:30 "I and the father are One."

The Old Testament IS still part of the Bible. Just because Jesus came to earth did not wipe away ALL of it. The 10 commandments are JUST as valid as rules to live by (for Christians) today as they were when Moses was alive!
And, yes, if you make jokes about Jesus (even if you think its just good clean fun) you STILL are taking God's name in vain!

I'll sum it up this way: I don't expect non-Christians (and I'm not saying anyone talking here is one) to fully understand why this comment offends Christians. But if it does, even if you don't understand why, wouldn't it just be better to find some other taunt to use that is not offensive to people?

[daredevilcu]

None of the people who start these chants post on this board, as far as I know. You have every right to be offended, but as always, complaining on the internet will accomplish absolutely nothing.

[scottcomstock]

Folks,

If you want to continue the chant debate, please do so privately (PM or email). I'm not going to get into the merits of that debate one way or another.

To get the discussion somewhat back on-topic: who on the U18 team has committed to college? I know Goldie mentioned that six of them are NHL 1st-round draft picks but didn't see who (if any) had committed.

[MikeR]

To get the discussion somewhat back on-topic: who on the U18 team has committed to college? I know Goldie mentioned that six of them are NHL 1st-round draft picks but didn't see who (if any) had committed.


from Heisenberg's list...not much to pick from as far as if they haven't already narrowed their choices down or going to the OHL

Mike Cieslak-RW USNDPT U-18 Team 6'2 178 3-28-89
C.J. Severyn- (Michigan, Ohio St.)
Brennan Vargas-RW (Dad-former Badger)

Ryan Schnell (Brown, Wisc., Miami-Ohio)
Richard Manley-LW USNDPT U-18 Team 6'4 201 12-22-89



Some Redline writeups on each from the Development Camp (http://www.redlinejunior.com/html/sam_evalcamp.html)

Edit: U-18 Preview Press Release (http://www.sportsfeatures.com/index.php?section=pp&action=show&id=33423)

[Goldie Knight]

October 27, 2006 Friday, 9:30 AM

Hey Mike,

Is there anything you cannot find on the internet? If there is, then probably nobody else can locate it either. You never fail to amaze me with your computer wizardry.

I enjoyed perusing the article about the US National Under 18 Team. It was interesting to learn that this team was founded in 1996 with the purpose of preparing hockey players under the age of 18 for participation on US National Teams and for success in their future hockey careers.

Saturday knight's game will be the fourth time Clarkson has played against this team. Here is our record against them.

October, 2002....Clarkson 2 ~ 1

October, 2004....the two teams tied at 2 ~ 2

October, 2005....Clarkson 6 ~ 4

As you can see, these games have been relatively close. It is my expectation the score will be....

CLARKSON 8.....(why not;)) US National Under 18 Team.....3

Other predictions are welcome:)

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

[MikeR]

October 27, 2006 Friday, 9:30 AM

Hey Mike,

Is there anything you cannot find on the internet? If there is, then probably nobody else can locate it either. You never fail to amaze me with your computer wizardry.


KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

Only because I actually know very little, I have plenty of questions to ask. Since the advent of google/RSS/etc, if you know how to ask a question, you can usually find an answer.

Not really impressive, only requirement is that you are addicted to Knight hockey.;)

[observer]

Only because I actually know very little, I have plenty of questions to ask. Since the advent of google/RSS/etc, if you know how to ask a question, you can usually find an answer.

Not really impressive, only requirement is that you are addicted to Knight hockey.;)

what is RSS and how does that work?

[MikeR]

what is RSS and how does that work?

Really simple answer: RSS stands for "Rich Site Summary" allowing web surfers to receive new articles to their browser. Examples: I have a RSS feed from the York regional newspaper (Markham) and Durham Press (Bowmanville Eagles). Also, USCHO, CHN, INCH, and a google alert for "clarkson hockey", "goldenknights hockey", "clarkson university"....and a million more.

Typically, the sites will use the following buttons: "RSS" or "XML". You will need a RSS reader or use IE7 which is a new function for Microsoft.
Here's a decent link explaining it (http://www.whatisrss.com/)
another...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_(file_format)
Just google "what is RSS" you'll find more information than you need!

You can also go to google, type in the keywords you want search, select their "news" key, which will then forward you to here:
http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=clarkson+hockey

On the left hand side you can set up an RSS or Atom feed based on the search keywords. It will retrun any news/web info/blog/etc to your browser. Google also has more info on RSS/Atom feeds

add one more piece...searching for blogs via Google: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Clarkson+hockey

say what you will about google, they develop some neat stuff, and make it accessible to everyone. Check out their labs for beta versions of new web surfing tools.

This looks good: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?nui=1&service=reader&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Freader%2F

Basically a way to share all subscribed feeds with anyone by just linking your google reader.:cool:

[LGTecher]

We are an amazing lot. We can debate religion and get a lesson on information technology in the same thread about upcoming games with the USNDT. :rolleyes:

To weigh in on the cheers argument. I have a young son who wants to go to the CCT / Cornell game with me this year as I make an annual pillgramage to take my dad to the game as he took me when I was a lad. (I grew up right outside of Ithaca. I first learned about Clarkson from going to the games. I also remember watching Ken Dryden play...amazing player!) But now, being a father of my own two young boys has given me an entirely new perspective on fan behavior. I don't want my son subjected to the Lynah faithful, but I also don't want him to miss out on a memory of going to the game with me and his grandfather. Its sad to me that I have to think about it in this light...my father didn't have to make those types of decisions when I was a lad.

[ChuckNajimy]

We are an amazing lot. We can debate religion and get a lesson on information technology in the same thread about upcoming games with the USNDT. :rolleyes:

To weigh in on the cheers argument. I have a young son who wants to go to the CCT / Cornell game with me this year as I make an annual pillgramage to take my dad to the game as he took me when I was a lad. (I grew up right outside of Ithaca. I first learned about Clarkson from going to the games. I also remember watching Ken Dryden play...amazing player!) But now, being a father of my own two young boys has given me an entirely new perspective on fan behavior. I don't want my son subjected to the Lynah faithful, but I also don't want him to miss out on a memory of going to the game with me and his grandfather. Its sad to me that I have to think about it in this light...my father didn't have to make those types of decisions when I was a lad.

This is a great post and at the risk of upsetting Scott who asked for an end to this discussion, I'd have to say I agree with the dilemma. While I love raucous fans (and have been known to be obnoxious myself), I don't want my four children to hear some of these chants. I have to wonder how many of the empty seats may have to do with others having feelings like this. I don't know, maybe none.

Anyway Scott, if I've crossed the line and extended a conversation you want ended feel free to delete my post.

[daredevilcu]

LGTecher -- where outside of Ithaca did you grow up? I'm from that area myself...

[scottcomstock]

Actually, I should have been more specific in my request (I was posting from work and sort of did it in a hurry) -- my intent was to keep the thread from getting completely derailed (a/k/a threadjacked) into a Bible-interpretation debate.

Things cooled off pretty quick after my request, so I wasn't going to lock the thread even if someone did bring chants back up, as long as the thread didn't degenerate into a religious debate again.

[scottcomstock]

Yes, I'm looking into providing RSS links for some of the forums ;)

It ought to be an interesting game. Best of luck to Clarkson, and I'm looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully, OIT and WCKN got that new line installed and working.

[MikeR]

btw, I forget how I found this, but Coach Roll's postgame interviews are posted on the web. (All this RSS talk made me check a few I'd reviewed in a while!)

of note at the end of the interview, everyone that can play, will play against the U-18's

http://chrisfohlin.net/mensHockey/10212006LakeSuperior.mp3

[LGTecher]

LGTecher -- where outside of Ithaca did you grow up? I'm from that area myself...


Little town on Rt 79 - Richford. Went to Newark Valley HS a long time ago. You?

[Brett Gobe]

Update from the game.

Murphy was awful.

Smith was awful.

The PK was awful.

The parents in the student section were awful........ly quiet.

Basically the whole thing was awful.

I'm off to party.

[daredevilcu]

I also went to Newark Valley HS. And you most definitely lived in Richford -- now that I check, I see you said that, but all I read in my drunken state was "little town on Rte. 79." I lived just outside Candor.

[vicb]

WOW, talk about a jeckel and hyde group of players (I hesistate to call them a TEAM). Are we the fans overestimating the talent of this group??? Is the coaching staff overestimating the talent???? Not sure what the heck the answer is but they have 1 week to figure it out or it's gonna be a long bus ride back to Potsdam next Saturday Knight.

The good


The not so good

Murphy was awful.

Not sure the first period was Smiths fault Brett.

The PK was awful.

The parents in the student section were awful........ly quiet.

Basically the whole thing was awful.

[observer]

WOW, talk about a jeckel and hyde group of players (I hesistate to call them a TEAM). Are we the fans overestimating the talent of this group??? Is the coaching staff overestimating the talent???? Not sure what the heck the answer is but they have 1 week to figure it out or it's gonna be a long bus ride back to Potsdam next Saturday Knight.

The good


The not so good

Murphy was awful.

Not sure the first period was Smiths fault Brett.

The PK was awful.

The parents in the student section were awful........ly quiet.

Basically the whole thing was awful.

Think we should be slow to start slamming officials. They are required to enforce the NEW policies, which include not using your stick to slow down a player who doesn't have the puck.
Blame the players who REFUSE to catch on to this and keep doing it!

[Goldie Knight]

Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:30 AM

Disappointment and disaster are the two words which readily come to mind when thinking about last knight's game. The positives for Clarkson were Shawn Weller's goal with assists from his linemates Steve Zalewski and Matt Beca. Also important were Chris D'Alvise's continuing attemps to get a wrap-around goal, which he finally did push into the net all by himself.

The negative part of the game was having our antagonist, JM, as the referee again. It's too bad the Golden Knights can't rid themselves of that pathetic excuse for a referee. Weekend after weekend that creature creates chaos for us. The Golden Knights ended the game with 14 penalties and the US Under 18 Team had 12 penalties. At least this weekend, JM seemed to demonstate little favoritism, a stark contrast to his behavior in the past. He raised his arm so often that I wondered if it would fall off:rolleyes:

The Golden Knights were ashamed of their efforts. Vic, I am quite certain that Coach Roll alluded to the lack of support Matt Smith had in goal. How sad for Matt's first debut as a Golden Knight. On the other hand, this US National Team has played at least 14 games and their members are among the elite hockey players in this country under the age of 18. I was impressed with their passing skills as well as their composure.

There were a group of scouts on hand for the game, including Dave Taylor of the LA Kings. Both Dave and President Collins spoke at the post-game gathering, and Ernie Richmond was honored by the Alf Maki, the President of The Knight Club. Ernie, age 92, and his wife drive up from New Jersey each year to watch the Golden Knights.

We do need to get our act together for a tough roadtrip next weekend to Cambridge and to Hanover, as the Golden Knights begin their ECAC season against two well rated hockey teams.

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS

[Todd '86]

Think we should be slow to start slamming officials. They are required to enforce the NEW policies, which include not using your stick to slow down a player who doesn't have the puck.
Blame the players who REFUSE to catch on to this and keep doing it!

I wouldn't call it refusal. These guys have been playing hockey most of their lives that way. The same thing happened in the NHL last year - remember how many penalties were dished out, esp. in the early season? Seemed like every minute and a half someone was going in the box.

If there is new emphasis on this rule this year, it will take time to get past it. Definitely something to work on in practice, I'd say.

BTW, Dave Taylor is scouting for the Kings now? I haven't been able to keep up with what he has been doing since he lost the GM position.

[snyderkb]

BTW, Dave Taylor is scouting for the Kings now? I haven't been able to keep up with what he has been doing since he lost the GM position.

He is the director of amateur scouting for LA. As much as I'm sure he was glad to see Clarkson, I think the reason he came was to scout the US team. He's going today to see them play SUNY-Plattsburgh. He did say that he saw Clarkson play when they were at UMass.

And this just popped into my head yesterday...did his relationship with LA lead to them drafting Sullivan in '03? Or maybe just a funny coincidence.

[Stemmer]

No coincidence at all. Dave was the GM at the time and Billy O', who is now scouting for the Penguins was the Player Personnel guy with the Kings.

As for adjusting to the new rules, my Bantam players caught on after one game for the most part. USA Hockey has the same rules for youth hockey. No good reason that D1 college players can't adapt that fast.

[MikeR]

WOW, talk about a jeckel and hyde group of players (I hesistate to call them a TEAM). Are we the fans overestimating the talent of this group??? Is the coaching staff overestimating the talent???? Not sure what the heck the answer is but they have 1 week to figure it out or it's gonna be a long bus ride back to Potsdam next Saturday Knight.


Apparently, not everyone follows the mantra "hard work beats talent" every night.

When the U-18 team shows up, different than 4 years ago, you better have hard work (because the talent is always there). Accordingly, the Knight team choses when to "show up".

[joecct]

USA Hockey has a new policy. The NCAA (different organization, different rules) has had the SAME policy for the past 3 years.

If the Upperclassmen have not adapted to it by now, they never will. The frosh will take about 2 months to figure it out, assuming they play on a regular basis.

Rich, don't get me started on USA Hockey. I could break the record for the longest diatribe on this board.

[Stemmer]

Joe,

I promise to not get you started on USA hockey. You'd probably have to share that diatribe with me a bit. :rolleyes:

What I meant to say, (sorry I posted in haste) is that USA Hockey's new "standard" is imilar if not the same, as what the NCAA has done.

The real point is that 13 and 14 year olds get the message (yes with some help from us coaches) so there's no reason why college players cannot. None at all!

[Bill]

USA Hockey has a new policy. The NCAA (different organization, different rules) has had the SAME policy for the past 3 years.

If the Upperclassmen have not adapted to it by now, they never will. The frosh will take about 2 months to figure it out, assuming they play on a regular basis.

Yeah Joe (I'm not gonna get you going on USA Hockey either), the policy & rules are there, but the consistency of enforcement, IMHO is not - within conferences needs improvement, but interconference consistency is just not there - stuff that you can get away with in the west (WCHA & some CCHA) will be more than called in the ECAC. I can see how upperclassmen can "fail to get it" due to the inconsistency of enforcement across the NCAA.

[MikeR]

Yeah Joe (I'm not gonna get you going on USA Hockey either), the policy & rules are there, but the consistency of enforcement, IMHO is not - within conferences needs improvement, but interconference consistency is just not there - stuff that you can get away with in the west (WCHA & some CCHA) will be more than called in the ECAC. I can see how upperclassmen can "fail to get it" due to the inconsistency of enforcement across the NCAA.

To support your assessment ....Vermont is having issues as well knowing "how to play (http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20062007/m/10/29/uvm-dc.php)"



"We've seen so many different styles that we're just a little bit confused," Vermont coach Kevin Sneddon confessed. "It's hard for us to coach our guys right now. It's hard for our student-athletes to understand what is the standard of play, because it's different almost every night."

The Cats have played ECAC, CCHA, HE, and WCHA teams.

[vicb]

Sneddon's remark: "We've seen so many different styles that we're just a little bit confused," Vermont coach Kevin Sneddon confessed. "It's hard for us to coach our guys right now. It's hard for our student-athletes to understand what is the standard of play, because it's different almost every night."

I think the answer is obvious. COACH YOUR TEAM TO PLAY THE GAME BY THE RULES AND DON'T TRY TO GET AWAY WITH THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE CALLED.

Easier said than done but a very simple strategy.

[Goldie Knight]

Monday, October 30, 2006 1 PM

Good advice, Vic. I'm sure it is a task of monumental proportions to have the Golden Knights abide by the new rules. Good Lord, when I saw the name of Frank Murphy as the referee for the Dartmouth ~ UVM game, it reminded me that the pathetic excuse for a referee, JM, often at Cheel, must be the brother to this one. Familial traits probably play a role in determining what that duo does.

Thanks for the UVM ~ Dartmouth summary, Mike. On this coming Saturday, when we play against Dartmouth in Hanover, hopefully the loose ends will be tied up by our defensive corps, and Clarkson will charge on to victory. The Golden Knights solely miss Michael Grenzy's defensive prowess. Dartmouth has already won all four of its games, of those, two have been exhibition contests, but two have been big wins against Harvard and UVM. It appears Dartmouth will be without the services of their 200-pound defenseman, Tanner Glass, who is on crutches. Any breaks the Golden Knights have will be advantageous.;)

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

[MikeR]

Easier said than done but a very simple strategy.

True. Every team is trying to get an advantage out there. If one team plays with a little stick play, and the opposing team doesn't....which one has an advantage? - depends on the ref and the interpretation. Although a "rule" implies there should be no interpretation.

[MikeR]

Post game comments (http://chrisfohlin.net/mensHockey/10282006USANational.mp3) from Coach Roll. Thanks to Chris Fohlin for posting these on his site (http://chrisfohlin.net/)!

[daredevilcu]

My favorite quote from Roll in that is his response to the question "Is the fact that this game was exhibition the reason the team may not have played as well?"

"It better not be. We need to be able to get up for any game, exhibition or not."

He's really doing everything he can to instill the hard working mentality that will take this team far.