NINE GOLDEN DRAFT CHOICES [Archive] - Golden Knights Hockey Roundtable

Goldie Knight

06-26-2006, 11:32 AM

June 26, 2006 11:30 AM

According to Clarkson's website, the Golden Knights currently have nine players who are NHL Draft Choices. And here they are:

1. Mike Sullivan......Los Angeles

2. Michael Grenzy...Chicago

3. Shawn Weller.....Ottawa

4. Steve Zalewski...San Jose

5. Grant Clitsome....Columbus

6. Shea Guthrie......New York Islanders

7. Tyrell Mason......New York Islanders

8. Philippe Paquet...Montreal

and our newest addition,

9. Captain Nick Dodge....Carolina Hurricanes

This definitely bodes well for Clarkson's immediate future. With Clarkson only having four new recruits, and considering that some other ECAC teams have added as many as ten or eleven to their rosters, we should expect an excellent year.

Does anyone know when the coaches rate the teams as far as how each team will fare in the ECAC standings?

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS

Drew

06-26-2006, 01:29 PM

chuck

06-26-2006, 02:43 PM

Goldie,
Last year the ECACHL Coaches Poll came out Sept. 20, 2005. I am eager to see it as well, but do not want to wish my summer away ;) . Anyone want to venture a guess for early "coaches poll" predictions?
Cheers,
Drew

First I'd like to predict what Clarkson fans are going to predict that the coaches are going to predict:eek: :confused: :D

I say that Clarkson fans predict that the coaches will predict Clarkson for 3rd place.

Then I think that the coaches will actually pick them for 5th, creating uproar among the Clarkson fans.

Then Clarkson fans will predict that Tech will finish 2nd.

Then I predict they will actually finish 4th.

Anyone want to add to these:p

ursaminor

06-26-2006, 04:22 PM

First I'd like to predict what Clarkson fans are going to predict that the coaches are going to predict:eek: :confused: :D

I say that Clarkson fans predict that the coaches will predict Clarkson for 3rd place.

Then I think that the coaches will actually pick them for 5th, creating uproar among the Clarkson fans.

Then Clarkson fans will predict that Tech will finish 2nd.

Then I predict they will actually finish 4th.

Anyone want to add to these:p
I'll predict that an RPI fan will also pick them 4th. ;)

Stemmer

06-26-2006, 05:07 PM

I'll predict that an RPI fan will also pick them 4th. ;)

When will you be making that prediction, Ralph? ;)

andy

06-26-2006, 09:59 PM

I wouldn't expect much from the pre-season votes. Until the players show they can produce more than an 8th or 9th place team than they may not be highly regarded in pre-season votes and such.
They showed flashes of talent last year, but also showed lots of games where they were outplayed and haven't proven they can win on the road.
NOTE: all this is what has happened in the past. I'm in no way saying it will happen this season BUT we are talking about pre-season polls, which usually are based on a mix of past results and incoming players.

Drew

06-26-2006, 11:05 PM

LOL... Chuck!
I am going with.........
Coaches say we are 5th.
Media says we are 6th.
Tech fans say we are 3rd.
I say we are a 4!

Ron

06-27-2006, 03:28 PM

I'll be bold.

Coaches say we are 3th.

Media says we are 4th.

Tech fans say we are 7th. (By fans I mean the regular students and fans in the stands who doesn't know who's come and gone until they show up.)

I'll go with 1st. Let the woofing gods strike me down. I'm really excited about this crew.

Here's your byes this year: Clarkson, RPI, Colgate, Cornell.

Is the pot sufficiently stirred? :D

MikeR

06-27-2006, 03:41 PM

Coaches say the Knights are 6th.
Media says they are 7th.
Tech fans say they will finish 3rd.
I say they are 4th.

Drew

06-27-2006, 03:41 PM

chuck

06-28-2006, 09:03 AM

Ron

06-28-2006, 10:56 AM

RPI?

do you know something I don't?

Well, RPI only lost five players from last year. They finished two points higher than we did, and without their captain. Solid victories over BU, Harvard, Cornell, and Providence. They ran into a good goalie in the playoffs that out did their goalie who is only a Freshman, and probably one of the more talented young goalies in the conference.

Their biggest problem was chaining wins together. If Lange and MacDonald can play to form, someone needs to pick up some scoring for Croxton, and the coach can come through, they'll have a solid season.

Looking at the rest of the league who would you put ahead of RPI in the 4th spot and why?

Drew

06-28-2006, 01:48 PM

Looking at the rest of the league who would you put ahead of RPI in the 4th spot and why?

I would put Harvard in there as well. Lose five seniors and have an excellent incoming class. Not that I would supplant your RPI selection, as I believe Cornell has to answer some questions losing McKee in net and losing a lot of offensive firepower in Moulson and the Abbotts.....but they have a very large incoming class with some pretty good talent. Am eager to see where the coaches put them.
Cheers,
Drew

Stemmer

06-28-2006, 02:11 PM

Well, RPI only lost five players from last year. They finished two points higher than we did, and without their captain. Solid victories over BU, Harvard, Cornell, and Providence. They ran into a good goalie in the playoffs that out did their goalie who is only a Freshman, and probably one of the more talented young goalies in the conference.

Their biggest problem was chaining wins together. If Lange and MacDonald can play to form, someone needs to pick up some scoring for Croxton, and the coach can come through, they'll have a solid season.

Looking at the rest of the league who would you put ahead of RPI in the 4th spot and why?

I think the adjustment to the new coach could be their biggest challenge. We've seen before that it can take a year or two.

ursaminor

06-28-2006, 02:13 PM

Well, RPI only lost five players from last year. Seven: Croxton, Farynuk, Hussey, MCWilliams, Romfo, Valentin, and Yurkewecz,

chuck

06-28-2006, 02:33 PM

Good points. I think the new coach adjustment will hurt. I also think that Harvard really needs to be in that mix. To sum it all up... I have NO idea!.

MikeR

06-28-2006, 03:29 PM

Oakville Beaver article (http://www.haltonsearch.com/hr/ob/sports/story/3569475p-4124336c.html) on Nick Dodge's draft selection

Goldie Knight

06-28-2006, 05:53 PM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:30 PM

Mike, I just read the article you referenced concerning Nick Dodge being drafted by the Carolina Hurricanes. I guess I am very supportive of all that Nick Dodge does for Clarkson hockey because he is such an exemplary role model. Nick's personality is pleasingly extroverted....always taking a few extra minutes to talk with his many fans. Nick is a very popular Golden Knight, among Clarkson fans, as well as among Clarkson players. I still shudder when I think that we nearly lost him to Princeton, but Nick changed his mind about attending Princeton when former Coach Len Quisnelle was terminated. In addition to being an awesome athlete, Nick earned the honor of being valedictorian of his high school class. All of us are thrilled that Nick chose to attend Clarkson....he is a true leader for our team. Thanks, Mike, for that information.

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS

scottcomstock

06-28-2006, 06:09 PM

Coaches say we are 3th.

Media says we are 4th.

Tech fans say we are 7th. (By fans I mean the regular students and fans in the stands who doesn't know who's come and gone until they show up.)

I'll go with 1st. Let the woofing gods strike me down. I'm really excited about this crew.

Here's your byes this year: Clarkson, RPI, Colgate, Cornell.

Is the pot sufficiently stirred? :D

Probably talking outta my backside here, but I'll go with:

Coaches: 4th
Media: 4th
Tech fans: 6th
I say: 2nd

andy

06-28-2006, 07:14 PM

I would put Harvard in there as well. Lose five seniors and have an excellent incoming class. Not that I would supplant your RPI selection, as I believe Cornell has to answer some questions losing McKee in net and losing a lot of offensive firepower in Moulson and the Abbotts.....but they have a very large incoming class with some pretty good talent. Am eager to see where the coaches put them.
Cheers,
Drew

I wouldn't worry about Cornell's goalie situation. Didn't McKee replace a guy who played in the NHL last year? I'm sure fans who don't know recruiting back then thought 'darn we lost that guy goalie is a question mark'
Cornell gets goalies way Steinbrenner signs all-stars.

CUKnight

06-28-2006, 07:19 PM

I wouldn't worry about Cornell's goalie situation. Didn't McKee replace a guy who played in the NHL last year? I'm sure fans who don't know recruiting back then thought 'darn we lost that guy goalie is a question mark'
Cornell gets goalies way Steinbrenner signs all-stars.

We thought the same thing when we lost murphy/bernard...hasnt really been the same since

andy

06-28-2006, 08:51 PM

We thought the same thing when we lost murphy/bernard...hasnt really been the same since

not really. you can't really compare any recent Clarkson goalie to what Cornell has produced.
Who was the last Clarkson goalie to play in the NHL

Murphy was very good but he was not in the level of Cornell's recent goalies or he'd have put on an NHL sweater at some point.

Clarkson's had tons of great players in its history, but i never heard of anyone who considered Clarkson to be a 'goalie factory'

Drew

06-28-2006, 10:02 PM

I wouldn't worry about Cornell's goalie situation. Didn't McKee replace a guy who played in the NHL last year? I'm sure fans who don't know recruiting back then thought 'darn we lost that guy goalie is a question mark'
Cornell gets goalies way Steinbrenner signs all-stars.

I don't worry about you guys, Andy. All I am saying is it remains to be seen.

andy

06-28-2006, 11:24 PM

I don't worry about you guys, Andy. All I am saying is it remains to be seen.

YOU GUYS? im the last person to call a Cornell fan. That's the problem with message boards. you state 'facts' and people jump to inane conclusions.

For the record: if dont like Cornell one iota. But i can give credit where its due the program produces good goalies.

chuck

06-29-2006, 08:17 AM

...you state 'facts' and people jump to inane conclusions.
....

Most people on this board state their opinion.

As far as the goalies... NHL success does not define a college career. Many players (of all positions) have had great college careers and not made a splash in the pros.

I suspect the reverse is true too. Can someone (Rich I bet) point out any players who were ok or mediocre in college, but went on to have an NHL career?

andy

06-29-2006, 09:22 AM

[QUOTE=chuck]Most people on this board state their opinion.

I don't think its an *opinion* to say that Cornell is known as a program that has produced many standout goalies. Unless you could argue that Ken Dryden and company were really not that good.

And as for recent Cornell history, they have a goalie (I may mispell his name) Lenevue, who leaves and winds up a few years later playing for the Phoenix Coyotes and his replacement is McKee, who was a Hobey Baker final 3 finalist.

Clarkson has had good goalies in its history too, but I bet if you ask several people who *arent* fans of either school (with the assumed built-in bias for their own guys) they would agree with what I said that Clarkson is known for producing more NHL players than
Cornell, overall, but NOT better goalies.

so call that opinion if you want but I think theres enough facts to prove that what I'm saying is accurate.

Whatever standard you use, NHL or college success, Cornell's goaltending has been stellar traditionally. Heck, isn't the ECACs goalie award named after a Cornell goalie?

joecct

06-29-2006, 11:34 AM

Probably talking outta my backside here, but I'll go with:
Coaches: 4th
Media: 4th
Tech fans: 6th
I say: 2ndScott

Count me in the Tech fan group.

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but this current incarnation of the Knights hasn't learned to win yet. We've been a 9th, 9th, 8th place team the last 3 years. They have to learn consistency. I think we'll improve, but not enough to avoid playing @ home the first playoff weekend.

ursaminor

06-30-2006, 01:20 AM

Scott

Count me in the Tech fan group.

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but this current incarnation of the Knights hasn't learned to win yet. We've been a 9th, 9th, 8th place team the last 3 years. They have to learn consistency. I think we'll improve, but not enough to avoid playing @ home the first playoff weekend.
9, 9, and 8 sound pretty consistant to me. :D

Goldie Knight

06-30-2006, 09:17 AM

Friday, June 30, 2006 9 AM

I remember reviewing the final ECAC standings prior to the beginning of the March playoffs. The Golden Knights ended their season in eighth place with twenty points. They were just three wins and one tie away from fourth place, and only five wins away from first place.

How very well the Golden Knights played at home...with an 8 wins...1 loss...and 2 ties record. Unfortunately, their road record led to their demise. Their only ECAC away win during the regular season was against Yale in November. We won't forgot how well the Golden Knights played against Cornell in the ECAC quarterfinals....giving Cornell all they could handle in two double overtime games. This is the true-grit characteristic I suspect we will see throughout the 2006 ~ 2007 season.

In my estimation, this team with experienced players, will do a commendable job on the road this coming season. Hopefully, the goaltender situation will be determined early in the season, and my prediction is.......

THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS WILL END THEIR REGULAR SEASON IN THIRD OR FOURTH PLACE IN THE ECAC.

berbs91

06-30-2006, 12:57 PM

9, 9, and 8 sound pretty consistant to me. :D

Maybe RPI will be consistant and return to 11th place, like they seem to do every other year?

I think RPI may be tough to gauge this year. I could see them anywhere from 6th - 12th. How much of an impact can MacDonald make? They dont seem to be bringing in much talent, so the focus will have to be defense. Maybe Alford will live up to the hype with a new coach and Lange will continue to improve? A lot of question marks...

I think Clarkson will continue to improve. The team is maturing and is older, and I suspect a Top 4 finish. I would be disapointed with anything less. I think the team has the potential to win the conference this year as well.

It looks like I wont see much college hockey(or any hockey for that matter) this season, as I am moving to Cleveland in August. But I look forward to following the action on here.

ursaminor

06-30-2006, 11:42 PM

Maybe RPI will be consistant and return to 11th place, like they seem to do every other year?

I think RPI may be tough to gauge this year. I could see them anywhere from 6th - 12th. How much of an impact can MacDonald make? They dont seem to be bringing in much talent, so the focus will have to be defense. Maybe Alford will live up to the hype with a new coach and Lange will continue to improve? A lot of question marks... RPI is truly impossible to predict. The problem with Alford was that he lost his confidence, and Fridgen did nothing to help him. Hopefully Appert, being a former goalie, will do a better job. The only question mark with Lange is whether he will have a sophomore slump. MacDonald can have a huge impact if he indeed returns to the form of two years ago. The biggest question mark is the defense which is only returning three players, only one of whom was a regular all season (Luthi).

Stemmer

07-04-2006, 06:39 PM

Most people on this board state their opinion.

As far as the goalies... NHL success does not define a college career. Many players (of all positions) have had great college careers and not made a splash in the pros.

I suspect the reverse is true too. Can someone (Rich I bet) point out any players who were ok or mediocre in college, but went on to have an NHL career?

I can't think of a great example off the top of my head but look at John LeClair. He was a very good player at UVM but it wasn't predicted that he'd have as outstanding a career (recently very hampered by serious injury) as he has had.

Oops, just thought of one. Mike Milbury was so-so at Colgate and went on to have a solid career in the NHL. As a player, not as a GM.

MikeR

07-10-2006, 10:01 AM

June 26, 2006 11:30 AM

According the Clarkson's website, the Golden Knights currently have nine players who are NHL Draft Choices. And here they are:

1. Mike Sullivan......Los Angeles

2. Michael Grenzy...Chicago

3. Shawn Weller.....Ottawa

4. Steve Zalewski...San Jose

5. Grant Clitsome....Columbus

6. Shea Guthrie......New York Islanders

7. Tyrell Mason......New York Islanders

8. Philippe Paquet...Montreal

and our newest addition,

9. Captain Nick Dodge....Carolina Hurricanes

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS

Of those, Grenzy, Guthrie, Mason, Paquet, and Weller attended their respective prospect camps.

Goldie Knight

07-10-2006, 09:38 PM

July 10, 2006 9:30 PM

Mike....what interesting statistics you locate for us....thank you.

The Clarkson Athletics website now has for your viewing pleasure the photographs of the golf tournament played this past Saturday during the reunion. On it, you can see some of our new recruits, as well as some former Golden Knights. My goodness, what a fabulous time these Golden Knights must have had at that reunion. It was also Potsdam's Bicentennial celebration, and one of the largest turnouts was anticipated for Clarkson's Reunion weekend.

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

Stemmer

07-11-2006, 11:53 AM

Goldie,

Indeed it was a great time. Unfortunately, we weren't able to get there until Saturday and I had to skip the golf event. Maybe next year! :D

The dinner was terrific. Got to meet a couple of the new recruits. All but Matt Smith were there. Nick Dodge spoke a bit about the upcoming season. He strikes me as a very poised and smart young man and should make an excellent captain, all of which you have previously mentioned.

Tony Collins spoke briefly after dinner and again reiterated his support for athletics, stating that a national title is the goal of the hockey program. His comments were well recieved by those in attendance.

It was great to see alumni of my vintage including Dave Taylor, Billy O', Alf Maki, etal. Apparently Steve Warr tweaked his bad back playing golf and was unable to stay for dinner.

A few younger alumni were there including Chris Clark, Yan Turgeon, and Craig Conroy. Craiger had been in the Potsdam parade in the morning I believe and had to leave before dinner so we had a chance to say only a quick hello. Speaking of youngsters, Ernie Richmond was there, and is staying in Potsdam til the 16th, so you may want to look him up. I think Ernie is a spry and witty 91 now!

Am expecting to be up for the two games after Thanksgiving so I look froward to seeing you then Goldie.

We brought our dog along for the 4th straight year. I think he has now earned a Clarkson degree. How are your Golden Knight canines doing? ;)

Goldie Knight

07-12-2006, 08:27 AM

July 12, 2006 8 AM

Hi Rich,

It was great to read your reunion comments.....it sounds like you had a great time. I guess the best we can hope for regarding our canines' degrees would be the honorary ones we can provide for them. Because they are so loyal to us, it follows that they are loyal to Clarkson University as well.:)

I wonder what happened to Erik Cole? He was supposed to be playing in the golf tournament, and I suspect many were disappointed that he could not be there. Was there any mention of the Stanley Cup, with its guardian Erik Cole, being in Potsdam this summer?

I was glad to hear your opinion of Nick Dodge. He has such a natural talent, which is matched with an amazing work ethic, that I believe he will be the respected leader of the Golden Knights for the next two years. I also think that, as an assistant this past season, Nick learned a great deal about leadership qualities from Chris Brekelmans.

Scott, I hope you had a good time as well at the reunion. We were out of town visiting Clarkson friends that weekend, so we weren't on campus.

Each passing day brings us closer to October 6 and our first game against Niagara University, against whom we lost our first game 6 ~ 3 last year at Niagara. We only have one game against Niagara this season, and the second home game of our season is on October 7 against Rochester Institute of Technology.

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

MikeR

07-12-2006, 09:23 AM

July 12, 2006 8 AM

I wonder what happened to Erik Cole? He was supposed to be playing in the golf tournament, and I suspect many were disappointed that he could not be there.

KNOW NO LIMITS, CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

Erik (http://www.wral.com/slideshow/news/9486723/detail.html) was with the Cup at the Durham Bulls game (http://www.wral.com/news/9486731/detail.html) on Friday night; then off to promote the Championship DVD on Monday (http://www.carolinahurricanes.com/news/news.asp?articleid=1574) and Tuesday (http://www.wral.com/news/9495659/detail.html)

Follow the Stanley Cup tour here (http://www.nhl.com/cup/scj06/scj01_070506.html)

Stemmer

07-12-2006, 11:30 AM

I believe Erik also had elbow surgery last week, I think George said. He sent his regrets at not being able to attend.

Drew

08-16-2006, 02:40 PM

Hockey's Future lists Dodge as a top 20 prospect for the Carolina Hurricanes. There is a brief little write up on him.

http://hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=8996&mode=threaded&order=0

MikeR

10-12-2006, 09:25 PM

Since it is primarily a preview of the NHL Draft choices.....
ECAC Preview - Hockey's Future (http://hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=9139&mode=threaded&order=0).

Ron

03-19-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ron
I'll be bold.

Coaches say we are 3th.

Media says we are 4th.

Tech fans say we are 7th. (By fans I mean the regular students and fans in the stands who doesn't know who's come and gone until they show up.)

I'll go with 1st. Let the woofing gods strike me down. I'm really excited about this crew.

Here's your byes this year: Clarkson, RPI, Colgate, Cornell.

Is the pot sufficiently stirred?
Oh Boy, Hope you have teflon underwear to fend off the Woofing Gods............Oh please old Woofing Gods, ignore him for he knows not what he says!

Oh Boy, Hope you have teflon underwear to fend off the Woofing Gods............Oh please old Woofing Gods, ignore him for he knows not what he says! ;)

Drew, I just wanted to say that is just a fine fine profile picture you have there!