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joecct
02-23-2006, 09:10 AM
COMMENTARY: Ivy Hockey Experience Beats Penn Basketball
by Zachary Levine/Daily Pennsylvanian/U. Penn
(CSTV U-WIRE) ITHACA, N.Y.
...Eleven ECACHL championships and 19 Ivy titles pale in comparison to the two big ones. The Big Red took home national championships in 1967 and 1970. The '67 team boasted arguably the best goalkeeper in NCAA history in Ken Dryden, while the '70 squad is the only undefeated college hockey team ever with no NCAA eligibility issues(emphasis added)...
I will leave more insightful comments to others, but I feel like taking a KOHO and putting it where the sun doesn't shine.
I hate to say it, but they are correct. the 55-56 team had players who were not NCAA Tournament eligible. You can like that, or dislike it, but can't deny it is FACT!
COMMENTARY: Ivy Hockey Experience Beats Penn Basketball
by Zachary Levine/Daily Pennsylvanian/U. Penn
(CSTV U-WIRE) ITHACA, N.Y.
I will leave more insightful comments to others, but I feel like taking a KOHO and putting it where the sun doesn't shine.
Yep. Although the NCAA was pretty messed up back then to begin with, lots of weird rules. Still if they want to print something and put an asterik every time next to it, that's fine.
joecct
02-23-2006, 11:18 AM
Yes, I know we declined the invite to the tournament that year because of our 4 year seniors, but the tone of it would cause one to believe we did something wrong, when we didn't.
Well, who knows IF that team would have been undefeated had those players, who were playing an EXTRA year, were not on the team!
Well, who knows IF that team would have been undefeated had those players, who were playing an EXTRA year, were not on the team!
Well those players were legally playing for NCAA and League play for the entire season. So they weren't playing an extra year in that regards. The rule was specifically for a tournament. I do agree that it did sound like they did something wrong, but they didn't. The team was still eligible, just chose not to play.
Stemmer
02-23-2006, 12:05 PM
I agree and believe that the notion that the writer of the article mentions that, in the form of a cheap shot which tells uniformed readers nothing (!!), shows that he's a jerk.
Of course the writer is out of Penn, not Cornell. They don't exactly have a burgeoning hockey program over there, just an article that was badly worded. He could've just as well said, one of two undefeated teams all time.
my original point remains the same. All the writer pointed out, and accurately so, is that only ONE team has ever played the FULL ncaa season and gone undefeated. Clarkson did not play a full season. it opted out of the ncaa tournament where it MIGHT have lost.
oldtimehockey
02-23-2006, 03:35 PM
my original point remains the same. All the writer pointed out, and accurately so, is that only ONE team has ever played the FULL ncaa season and gone undefeated. Clarkson did not play a full season. it opted out of the ncaa tournament where it MIGHT have lost.
With much of its strength in its senior class in '56, CCT would most assuredly have lost in the NCAA tournament if it went without seniors.
And, incidentally, both Cornell and CCT had ineligible players in 1970 -- because of age. The Red's captain Dick Bertrand was 29, and Tech's Terry Ainslie was 25. Both were watching from the stands in Placid. Cornell had the far bigger loss -- first line and captain vs fourth line goon. Didn't make any difference... The Red with Lodboa, Giuliani, McCutcheon, Hughes, Pettit, Fullan etc etc were all but untouchable.
chuck
02-23-2006, 07:35 PM
I gotta say that I think that the article is correct. If anyone needs an asterisk it would be Tech's undefeated team. I don't like to say it but that's how it seems to me. I've seen Cornell listed in other publications (an ECAC Tourney Program) as the only undefeated team in college with no qualifiers or asterisks. I think among the college hockey world that's accepted.
I gotta say that I think that the article is correct. If anyone needs an asterisk it would be Tech's undefeated team. I don't like to say it but that's how it seems to me. I've seen Cornell listed in other publications (an ECAC Tourney Program) as the only undefeated team in college with no qualifiers or asterisks. I think among the college hockey world that's accepted.
People like to use the NCAA as the only source for anything these days. I'm sure (but not certain) that there were other undefeated teams before the NCAA, just like Clarkson was National Champs several times before the NCAA existed.
I agree that it should be generally accepted that Cornell's team is the only NCAA Champion that was undefeated though, because that is a fact. I just don't think you can take an undefeated season away from a team or put an asterik by them unless you beat them.
I'm sure (but not certain) that there were other undefeated teams before the NCAA,
FYI: Minnesota 1940: 18-0-0
FYI: Minnesota 1940: 18-0-0
Excellent! And you know what that means: They had no NCAA eligibility issues... because the NCAA wasn't running the show!
Stemmer
02-24-2006, 01:06 PM
With much of its strength in its senior class in '56, CCT would most assuredly have lost in the NCAA tournament if it went without seniors.
And, incidentally, both Cornell and CCT had ineligible players in 1970 -- because of age. The Red's captain Dick Bertrand was 29, and Tech's Terry Ainslie was 25. Both were watching from the stands in Placid. Cornell had the far bigger loss -- first line and captain vs fourth line goon. Didn't make any difference... The Red with Lodboa, Giuliani, McCutcheon, Hughes, Pettit, Fullan etc etc were all but untouchable.
Two comments.
Not sure that "goon" is an accurate moniker for Terry. He scored a reasonable number of goals in the games he played and had some skills from folks I talked to.
Cornell was clearly the best team in the NCAA that year. We gave them two good battles in Boston and in Placid in the ECAC and NCAA finals. "All but untouchable" may be going a tad to far given that Tech had a 2 goal lead in the third period, if I recall correctly, until Lodboa put on a show to earn the win for Cornell.
oldtimehockey
02-24-2006, 04:12 PM
"All but untouchable" may be going a tad to far given that Tech had a 2 goal lead in the third period, if I recall correctly, until Lodboa put on a show to earn the win for Cornell.
It was 3-3 at the end of 2. With Tech on a 5-on-3 in the third, Lodboa intercepted and on a breakaway scored the first of his hat trick. One of his next 2 goals was on a 4-on-1 rush by the Red, and they only needed one pass. Tech was never in front in the third, and was mostly defensive; Bullock had to make 48 saves just to keep the game even reasonable. Looked like the Red could've skated at full throttle for another 3 periods. The only time CCT led was briefly in the 1st when St. Jean got the first goal of the game.
I believe the NCAA was running the tournament show starting in 1948, if memory serves. Back then, I think they only allowed players 3 years of eligibility for tournament play, because I remember most schools had a freshman team back in those days. Cheese, I'm getting old!!!!:p
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