SHEA GUTHRIE

[Goldie Knight]

Saturday, February 18, 2006 10 AM

There is no question that Shea Guthrie is hurt, and it is a shoulder injury of some sort. Outrage permeated the minds of Clarkson fans who witnessed such a horrific display of nastiness. Yale junior Brad Mills hit Shea from behind and drove him into the boards. Shea immediately collasped to the ice behind the Yale net.......yet play continued, without a whistle until after the puck was all the way down in the Clarkson end. Shea was barely able to drag himself up and slowly skate to the Clarkson bench. He immediately left the ice and was taken to the hospital.

WHERE WAS THAT PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A REFEREE ATTORNEY ALEX DELL AND EITHER OF THE LINESMEN, FOR THAT MATTER?

One would have thought they had all left the arena. Absolutely no call was made on Brad Mills...and he definitely should have been assessed a five-minute major penalty....as a minimum. Fans were shouting at Alex Dell for a game misconduct. It's funny, those officials never listen to Clarkson fans!

Coach Roll went to the hospital to check on Shea right after the game, but the thoughts circulating in the Barben Rooms were those of a shoulder separation. Shea's pain was intense, and Clarkson fans were incensed by the negligence shown by the officials.

If our local newspaper mentions anything else this morning, I'll be certain to post it.

In the meantime, let's all say a prayer that Shea is not seriously hurt and can return to the lineup before the playoffs.

[mark0429]

Shea was mentioned in the Rookies of the Year edition of INCH's "Go-To Guys" column. He was listed as "Poised to change on the fly" which I guess is akin to Honorable Mention. Here is the Link:http://insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/goto/goto_0423.htm

[Goldie Knight]

Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:20 PM

Mark....thanks for posting the link concerning Shea Guthrie. I am hopeful that Shea will be back playing before the end of Clarkson's season.

In regard to his injury, Shea said today that he could not come back too soon because he could re-injure his shoulder separation very easily. Although the injury is not too serious, Shea wants to have his shoulder completely healed before returning to the lineup. He definitely does not want to miss this weekend's big games between Dartmouth and Harvard, so it will be tough not being able to play.

Shea, your fans hope that you are no longer in any pain and that you will soon recover completely from this injury. I am hoping the ECAC Commissioner will have the opportunity to review the game tape and make the necessary decision about what to do with Brad Mills, Shea's assailant. In my opinion, there is absolutely no justification for violence of this nature.

BEAT LITTLE GREEN FRIDAY KNIGHT....LET'S GO CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS.

[scottcomstock]

WHERE WAS THAT PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A REFEREE ATTORNEY ALEX DELL AND EITHER OF THE LINESMEN, FOR THAT MATTER?...[f]ans were shouting at Alex Dell for a game misconduct. It's funny, those officials never listen to Clarkson fans!


I hope someone from Clarkson's athletic department is on the phone with the ECACHL's director of "officials", and/or sends a game tape to same. This kind of idiocy has been going on for too long.

[Stemmer]

I hope someone from Clarkson's athletic department is on the phone with the ECACHL's director of "officials", and/or sends a game tape to same. This kind of idiocy has been going on for too long.

Scott, you are correct of course.

However, coaches such as Mark Morris etal, have complained for years and seemingly nothing has ever been done about it...not by Hagwell, nor his predecessors!

Some day, we'll have an even more severe injury on our hands because nasty hits are not penalized.

The league sure gives the impression that officials are not accountable!

[andy]

Scott, you are correct of course.

However, coaches such as Mark Morris etal, have complained for years and seemingly nothing has ever been done about it...not by Hagwell, nor his predecessors!

Some day, we'll have an even more severe injury on our hands because nasty hits are not penalized.

The league sure gives the impression that officials are not accountable!

the above is HARDLY true. First, many officials were fired last year for incompetence. Second, Mills was already suspended TWO games by the league for an on-ice incident.

That doesn't sound, to me, like a league that does 'nothing'. Let's be more accurate in our bashing stuff

[Ron]

I wasn't at the game, but I'm a firm believer that if a ref or a linesman doesn't see something, they shouldn't call something.

I get really, really irritated when a ref raises his hand when he reacts to the sound, not to what he actually sees. Or when they raise their hands on a clean check because the guy was slow getting up. Or even worse, when they respond to fan reaction.

Now if he saw this play and didn't do anything, he should be reprimanded post-game by the league, especially with as blatant as it sounds. But refing is an insanely difficult job, and they can't be everywhere at once, and if he didn't see it, I give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Hopefully Shea will be on the ice next weekend for the playoffs and he can get his revenge by watching the little red light go on.

[Goldie Knight]

Friday, February 24, 2006 2:30 PM

Whoa Andy,

Were you there to see the Brad Mills hit on Shea? My first impression was that Shea had been knocked unconscious by that ferocious hit from behind against him. I am absolutely intolerant of this type of behavior, especially against any of our Golden Knights. Even more insufferable was the fact that not a single official made a call against Brad Mills. I have been told, by a former Clarkson coach, that officials are supposed to actually be tougher on those players who have already been given game disqualifications.

These officials need to be held much more accountable for their inability to do their job. In fact, one of the linesmen was right behind the net, very close to where Shea was attacked, and he simply skated away merely pretending to be oblivious to the entire situation.

Andy, are you able to provide a list of those incompetent officials who were fired last year? I am only interested in being made aware of those from the ECAC. BTW, Alex Dell, would probably sue the ECAC if he were banished from the league. He is a practicing attorney from the Binghamton, NY, area.

LET'S GO TECHERS....ON TO ANOTHER FOUR-POINT WEEKEND.:)

[Stemmer]

Friday, February 24, 2006 2:30 PM

Andy, are you able to provide a list of those incompetent officials who were fired last year? I am only interested in being made aware of those from the ECAC. BTW, Alex Dell, would probably sue the ECAC if he were banished from the league. He is a practicing attorney from the Binghamton, NY, area.

LET'S GO TECHERS....ON TO ANOTHER FOUR-POINT WEEKEND.:)

Yep, he lives in Vestal, next to Bingo, my home town. I have no idea what kind of law he practices so maybe he wouldn't sue.

If the league thought his dismissal or anyone else's was warranted based on his or her performance, the ECACHL shouldn't let the individual's personal background influenece a decision re" firing him.

[Stemmer]

the above is HARDLY true. First, many officials were fired last year for incompetence. Second, Mills was already suspended TWO games by the league for an on-ice incident.

That doesn't sound, to me, like a league that does 'nothing'. Let's be more accurate in our bashing stuff

Andy,

Fair enough re: the fact that I had overlooked last year's termination. I'll rephrase then.

This is a league that historically has done little or nothing to make refs accountable for their performance, including terminating incompetent ones.

Last year's actions are a step in the right direction.

I've had my share of experience with officials and the excuse "I didn't see it so I can't call it" is not valid in many cases. Officials, like players, are often guilty of not being in the correct POSITION very often. That's why they often "don't see it"!

Don't know if the above applies to the hit on Guthrie in question but I do know it pertains to many missed calls I've seen at both the HS and D1 college levels. If it does apply, then maybe the Mills suspension did little or no good. :rolleyes:

[Goldie Knight]

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:30 PM

Okay, Rich and Andy, would one of you gentlemen kindly tell me which referee was terminated last season? Thank you.

[andy]

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:30 PM

Okay, Rich and Andy, would one of you gentlemen kindly tell me which referee was terminated last season? Thank you.

Mr Joel Dupree is one

[Goldie Knight]

Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:15 AM

Thank you, Andy.

I am wondering if Mr. Dupree is from northern NY State? I thought one of the ECAC officials was living not too far from Potsdam, but I could be mistaken.

So many problems concerning ECAC hockey could be resolved by using the instant replay. In fact, I thought those instant replays were being implemented in Division I college hockey. Does anyone know what happened?

Speaking of officials, several months ago I overheard one of the officials tell a friend, who asked where they were going to have a drink after a Clarkson game, that they were going to Canton. He mentioned the officials didn't dare stay in Potsdam and have a brew! I don't think I would recognize any of those officials anyway because they hardly ever take their helmets off, except prior to the game.

LET'S HOPE FOR A BETTER GAME TOKNIGHT FOR THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS.:)

[andy]

Dupree is from Massena, still refs several HS games and Potsdam College games.

As for refs and Canton, *everyone* hockey-related stays in Canton. There aren't any hotels big enough in Potsdam to house hockey teams and the officials likely stay at same places the teams do. Even though Potsdam is bigger, for some reason Canton has more hotels and bed and breakfasts.

Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:15 AM

Thank you, Andy.

I am wondering if Mr. Dupree is from northern NY State? I thought one of the ECAC officials was living not too far from Potsdam, but I could be mistaken.

So many problems concerning ECAC hockey could be resolved by using the instant replay. In fact, I thought those instant replays were being implemented in Division I college hockey. Does anyone know what happened?

Speaking of officials, several months ago I overheard one of the officials tell a friend, who asked where they were going to have a drink after a Clarkson game, that they were going to Canton. He mentioned the officials didn't dare stay in Potsdam and have a brew! I don't think I would recognize any of those officials anyway because they hardly ever take their helmets off, except prior to the game.

LET'S HOPE FOR A BETTER GAME TOKNIGHT FOR THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS.:)

[ursaminor]

Hockey's Future interview with Guthrie http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=8414&mode=threaded&order=0

[Goldie Knight]

Thursday, March 8, 2006 8:30 AM

Redemption for you, Ralph.:)

And sincere gratitude for posting the link for the article about Shea Guthrie. Shea is one wonderful young man, definitely a favorite among Clarkson hockey fans. That article was very informative, and it referenced some things most of us would not have known had you not taken the time to post the link. Shea's comments about being at Clarkson and his insightful statements about the coaches reinforced thoughts we had heard numerous times in the past.

Is the visitor's locker room at the Houston Field House really over 100 degrees? I was surprised that Shea found the HFH the most difficult to play in. And Shea has not played there yet during the Big Red Freakout! But he has played at Cornell once this season.

Thanks again, Ralph.

[ursaminor]

Thursday, March 8, 2006 8:30 AM

Redemption for you, Ralph.:)

And sincere gratitude for posting the link for the article about Shea Guthrie. Shea is one wonderful young man, definitely a favorite among Clarkson hockey fans. That article was very informative, and it referenced some things most of us would not have known had you not taken the time to post the link. Shea's comments about being at Clarkson and his insightful statements about the coaches reinforced thoughts we had heard numerous times in the past.

Is the visitor's locker room at the Houston Field House really over 100 degrees? I was surprised that Shea found the HFH the most difficult to play in. And Shea has not played there yet during the Big Red Freakout! But he has played at Cornell once this season.

Thanks again, Ralph. There were over 4000 at the HFH when Clarkson was there this year, but I agree that Lynah should have been more intimidating. As to the temperature in the visitor's locker room, I can't comment, but I'll give the RPI staff credit if it is over 100 degrees. :D

[Stemmer]

There were over 4000 at the HFH when Clarkson was there this year, but I agree that Lynah should have been more intimidating. As to the temperature in the visitor's locker room, I can't comment, but I'll give the RPI staff credit if it is over 100 degrees. :D

Making sure that the temperature in the visitor's locker room was unbearable and ensuring that they'd have no hot water in their showers was a trick of Ned Harkness years ago.

I know he employed that tactic while at cornell against Tech but don't know if he did the same when he coached prior at RPI.

Perhaps Ralph can elaborate on that point.

[ursaminor]

Making sure that the temperature in the visitor's locker room was unbearable and ensuring that they'd have no hot water in their showers was a trick of Ned Harkness years ago.

I know he employed that tactic while at cornell against Tech but don't know if he did the same when he coached prior at RPI.

Perhaps Ralph can elaborate on that point.
Harkness at RPI was before my time. He was already at Cornell when I arrived in Troy. From stories that I have heard, he did do things like that, although I never heard that one in particular.

[Stemmer]

Harkness at RPI was before my time. He was already at Cornell when I arrived in Troy. From stories that I have heard, he did do things like that, although I never heard that one in particular.

Ralph,

Ned was a great coach for sure, but he was a master at gamesmanship. Ask your fellow alumni at RPI who predate you by a few; I'm sure they've heard these stories.

I heard Len Ceglarksi tell a few "good" ones years ago at Tech.